Ricky McEachern (00:02): Anyone who has spent time in Provincetown, Massachusetts is familiar with Trampolina wherever she is, the world is much more colorful. The person behind those cat glasses is my friend. Kevin. I am excited to share my conversation with Trampolina
Trampolina (00:42): So I want to know a little bit about Trampolina's his life. Can you tell me about a, a day in the life of Trampolina?
Trampolina (00:50): The big things that I have to do, or of course get ready every morning, like this, otherwise I'm just lounging around the house, make my cocktail, you know, there's a morning cocktail, there's an afternoon cocktail. And then there's a nightcap in the evening, which is just perfect. Now, if I don't have that nightcap, NyQuil does.
Ricky McEachern (01:10): And it's pretty too.
Trampolina (01:12): Of course it is. They have great colors of NyQuil to trampoline is social calendar. Like you're pretty busy. Well, I'd like to say it's busy, but as the b-list drag queen, it's not really no, but I hang out with a lot of popular people. It seems that way, you know, Misery McCray is amazing every once in a while I get invited for bingo and nobody else.
Trampolina (01:35): And I like doing that. I like being there for others. If I can do that,
Ricky McEachern (01:39): I believe at bingo. I attended one of the bingos that you hosted. And I think I actually won. Trampolina (01:46): I know you did. And we have a picture of you. There's a picture of the two of us. Yeah. And you were up getting, Oh, you're getting measured for raffles. I think, I think we have like a boost of balls type thing going on, Leah. We had something, but I know that I won and I ended up having to grab something up from under your dress in front of the entire bar. And I was uncomfortable with that. Everyone should be, it's a dangerous, dangerous place to be.
Ricky McEachern (02:16): Well, I feel like in provincetown, you were, I felt like you were out and about very often it actually at a tea dance.
Ricky McEachern (02:27): I feel like you go to Hull pride. I feel like you're in Hull a lot. Am I my imagining things. Or are you in Hull a lot??
Trampolina (02:36): Not, you're not imagining things.
Ricky McEachern (02:39): People listening to this hall is a town it's South of Boston and it's on the shore and it's a really cute little town and you can actually take a, a ferry from rock to hall. And the ferry is part of our, like our subway system. The subway system in Boston is called the MBTA and the ferry is just part of that system. And and it's actually the former location of Paragon park is an amusement park that I used to go to as a kid. And it's no longer there, but the carousel is there.
Trampolina (03:15): And what was the name of the rollercoaster Ricky? So the front, yeah, Carr said comet, but that was not the name of that was not the name of the car.
Ricky McEachern (03:23): It was called the giant coaster. The giant coaster was called the giant coaster. But if you see photographs of the rollercoaster, oftentimes the front car says comment and that's because they actually bought, they replaced the cars and they bought cars from a rollercoaster that was called the comment. And Trampolina, I have a rollercoaster question for you. Do you know what happened to the comment I've to the giant coaster? I do not. I know it was made all of wood and towards the end there, it was actually shaking quite as people were on it. People tell these stories to this day. So the rollercoaster was actually built. Believe it or not, you're going to hear this right. It was built in 1917. And it was, it had done a lot of modifications when the park was sold in 1986 an amusement park in Maryland bought the rollercoaster and they rebuilt it and it is still operating and yes it is. And I've been on it and it's called the wild one and the park is six flags America. So it's the six flags outside of Washington DC. They're why are you in hull a lot?
Trampolina (04:42): So it's just from some people that are there, who knew about my escapades in Boston and Provincetown. And they needed somebody just to kind of be a little bit of color. And that's something that if I do anything correctly, it's add a little color.
Trampolina (04:57): So I've been helping them now for the past, but I think it's five years. And we just do different events during the season. We raise money, but we also raise awareness and it just adds a great positive vibe, absolutely Polina to anything. And it just brightens it and heightens it. Wait. So one of the beautiful things was that as a young Trampolina, I went to the beach often with my family almost daily to Nantasket. And so I have a very personal connection to all as well. You must, it's a lot of sunblock because your skin looks amazingly supple and smooth and it doesn't have any sun damage. I asked her Paris, it's amazing. Forget the zinc. It's all about plaster parents, but that's my connection to help. And the people there are just extraordinary. They support the events. They've raised a ton of money. I've been pulled over by the police before, and they're lovely as well. I'm sure.
Ricky McEachern (06:01): Can sweet talk them out of any speeding ticket?
Trampolina (06:03): Okay. Well, I will say that after I got out of the car, once there was another officer just behind us and I heard, wow, was your hair sticking out of the sunroof as well? You know, Subaru was only that big Molina. What do you have going on next? Where if people want to come out and see you in person, or if they want to see you online, what do they need to do coming up the ski weekend in January, let's cross our fingers. Maybe we can speed the ski, the ski weekend and Stowe and stow. Ricky McEachern (06:41): Yes. StoweVermont. I used to love going to that.
Trampolina (06:46): So it was my first time going into the pools, swimming, Trampolina (06:49): Wait, Oh my God. I want to see that. I may have to make, I may have to make a trip to stow just to see them. So does Trampolina ski or snowboard?
Ricky McEachern (06:58): So trampy does ski.
Trampolina (07:00): However I did not ski this past season, but next season I'm ready for it. So are you concerned about your hair getting ruined by a helmet? Wow. You may or may not know this, but trampa use the trembling that uses some heavy duty stuff in here. So I've actually been a car going 60 miles an hour and it's still, somehow it comes out this delightful. It's amazing. And I usually have to design it in a certain way. I can make a hair think bowel curls and secure them and engineering feet send me to Ford. Motor comfort completely are so talented, Ricky McEachern (07:40): Both creative and technical.
Trampolina (07:42): Thank you. All right. Cool.
Ricky McEachern (07:44): So I think I'm going to talk to a friend of yours NEC.
Kevin (07:49): Oh, wonderful. Yeah. So I think that a lot of our friends, we do, we love our friends. So it was great chatting with you. Likewise. Ricky be well and be an odd taste.
Ricky McEachern (08:00): Well, Kevin welcome. So that was fun talking to trampoline. I see her wig is in the background. When was so I know that you said that the whole, the whole Trampolina character started as a Halloween Halloween costume. I Halloween costume gone, gone awry,
Kevin (08:25): You know, Halloween costume that gave me a little bit of attention and I was like, I gotta have more. So let's talk about that to be very honest with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure. So you just did it
Ricky McEachern (08:37): A costume and wear, tell me about the party and when this happened.
Kevin (08:44): Yeah, sure. It's so it was in Lynnfield, Massachusetts and it was over at a friend's place. They had a barn party. It was two levels, a lot of fun, a lot of great people from Boston were, and I knew
Kevin (08:56): That it was going to be one of these big events. I've in fact, the person, the gentleman who invited me was going to get a limo and really make a big deal about the evening. So I realized I had to do something bigger and my friend Gary had just come up with a costume for the Marsh and spy girl from Mars attacks. So that dates back to like 1997 when we did this. And he was phenomenal in this outfit, but I saw the wig and I said, Hey, that's a cool wig. And it was this bombshell straight down, lilt up bombshell wig, a lot of fun, huge. And that was the first iteration of Trampolina when she first came out.
Ricky McEachern (09:41): When you went to a party as Trampolina, you got a lot of attention. And so is this something you had never experienced anything like this before?
Kevin (09:51): Oh no. So there were we were having a blast by the way, and I love to dance as you know, I love to dance and we were always out and about and enjoying that there were these big Hills of Bay of hay, and I jumped up on one at the end of the barn upstairs, and I just sort of go, go dancing because I was in this awesome outfit of blue and hot pink and white. And no one should wear white shoes after labor day, but I did. And it was just this very eye catching experience. And so there was never any pretense that it was anything more than a lot of fun. And I recognized that that was the value of it. It was never anything too beautiful. She was something to look at and you always just had a respect for everyone and how a lot of fun with them and kept it nice and clean that way.
Ricky McEachern (10:47): I think it's interesting that trampoline has been around for a while, you know, a long time and everyone is, is I'm familiar with her, but it's always like exciting to see her. And, and it's not like when you meet a new person a fresh face, you're excited to see them,
Kevin (11:06): But at some point it's just,
Ricky McEachern (11:08): I see them all the time. So like the excitement wears off, but there's something about being in that character that you're always excited. You know, there's a little dopamine rush when I see a trampoline wig off in the distance and everyone's like, Oh, trampoline is here. And I think why you think that
Kevin (11:26): I think it's because I enjoy them as well. And I think it's a mutual thing. We feed off of each other and we have fun. So there's never anything that gets in the way of that. And I think there were some Queens out there who are amazing performers but, but it's all about the look and how they display that or what their performance is going to be. And I have the luxury of being the one that's out on the dance floor, watching the show, dancing the dance floor and interacting. And that's what I love most. I find often that we don't do enough to talk to the people that are actually in the audience, find out who they are, where they are, why they're here. And those are the types of questions that I ask that I bet a lot of folks don't
Ricky McEachern (12:10): No drag has become obviously much more mainstream with you know, I'm assuming it's because of RuPaul's drag race and, you know, the neighborhood that I live in, I live in Andersonville in Chicago and there's you know, we have a lot of drag performers at restaurants and it's just it seems to just be very mainstream. I was dating someone who had, you know, two daughters that were in high school and, you know, all of them and all their friends are all watching, you know, RuPaul's drag race and, you know, rooting for you know, rooting for people. So what's your thoughts on, you know, when you see people that are doing that, you know, that contest, do you relate to that? Or how do you connect with them?
Kevin (13:03): Somehow? I, I relate to it to a certain extent because I've been in those proverbial shoes before. So it's not as though I haven't performed at all. I've done lip sync, I've done some, some stage stuff with Trampolina and I get that. I just think that they're extraordinarily talented though. The level of sophistication that people put into their outfits these days, I think is far greater than what we've seen in the past. And there's just a whole new level of creativity in dress shops and shoes in having everything readily available to you as well, because you can order it. And it's there within either days or a couple of weeks. I think that having everything online and having the ability to access that creativity has, has really helped promote people to be something different and be unique. Everyone can be unique, but as you pointed out, RuPaul is just changed the whole game. I don't know what what type of drag Queens would have come up if it wasn't for that show. And and putting it out in front of people and saying, this is okay.
Ricky McEachern (14:12): One thing that I've observed, you know, when I came out in 1990 drag, I, you know, it was in Boston and drag was not a big, was not a thing there really. But then I moved to Tennessee the summer of 19 fall of 1990, I lived in Kingsport, Tennessee, and there was a gay bar in Johnson city and drag was huge there. And also I used to go to Atlanta on the weekends in drag was huge there. So it was kind of a, I feel like it was a Southern thing.
Kevin (14:47): Yes. I've been to st. Louis, Missouri and Ventura drag show out there, of course in Chicago, very, very different as well, and very beautiful drag Queens that are in each one of those cities that I had witnessed. And it was something to behold and it was something to attend. And, and the respect that people had in the crowd for the Queens, even handing them the dollar bills, it wasn't something where you threw the money at them, you extended and they received, and it was, it was something nice to say, it's just a different experience.
Ricky McEachern (15:22): The drag was big in the South and it wasn't, it wasn't big in Boston. You know,
Kevin (15:26): Yeah. I think that that has everything to do with what Boston is. And Boston is so puritanical that I think it was tough, even myself walking around that. So that was 97 or so I would question, I remember the first night going out and actually being on the street before we got into the limo that I was always looking around. You never knew who was going to come down the street or around the corner. It's still something that I'm very aware of, but much more confident with myself today. I just found it interesting that dress
Ricky McEachern (16:01): Tag was such a big part of this small town gay bar, you know, Johnson city, Tennessee is certainly not the it is probably one of the more conservative places trust me. And drag was like this big thing.
Kevin (16:17): Yeah. I thought that was interesting. There were, there were a couple of places including shocks. Of course, even back in that time, still open jocks is still open. So John's was big for that. You could see that at buddy's on occasionally, but not as often. And well, I never had the opportunity to see it was, this play was at the Playhouse wait, play, land, play land. That's it. Thank you.
Ricky McEachern (16:45): I heard it, but I've seen it in old pictures.
Kevin (16:47): Yeah. Yeah. So there were, there was a different arc of folks that were there. And I remember seeing some images that way in Boston. So I think it was more under the current and, you know, even for myself, I didn't feel as comfortable until I met the head sisters in Boston and the Hattie's really made it that much more fun. And they were very similar in this respect. Just have fun, be out there, be there for your community, especially when HIV was blowing up everywhere there. They were there to do a lot of benefit events, especially for Fenway health at that time from the community. So they were bringing a fun awareness to things, and it showed a different side of light during a period that was very dark. And I loved that aspect of them. I remember when I first saw them, might've been 96. And I had been to one of those Fenway men's events. And I was just taken back by how much life they brought to that organization and to our community
Ricky McEachern (17:53): Part of what you do appears to be a fundraising events. Yeah,
Kevin (17:59): Yeah, totally. So anything Harvard of the Bay is big with HIV. All pride is more community based in bringing awareness and down in P town. Of course you have the swim for life helping our women. So adding any type of life or color to those events that help others is always a great thing to do.
Ricky McEachern (18:19): I know we talked about the early nineties and all that stuff, but going back further you shared with me that, so when I did my interview with Joe Dayo, the astrologer Joe Dayo, and I we spoke about this movie, the queen, and you said that you saw that. So tell me about what you thought you had never heard of it. And I had never heard of this movie. So I saw this movie and thinking, how have I never heard of this? So we need to make sure that everybody knows about this documentary called
Kevin (18:52): The queen. So tell me about,
Ricky McEachern (18:54): Tell me about your thoughts on it.
Kevin (18:57): I was astonished. I had to go back and look at the title where they give you the information about the movie. And it said 1968 and I was born in 1968. So to see this, I was like, what part of our history have we missed here? Yeah,
Ricky McEachern (19:12): Let me just describe, let me just describe to everybody what this documentary is and you can correct me, but it's a, someone basically recorded a in New York city in 1968, a contest of, were they calling themselves drag performers? Is that what the term they were using?
Kevin (19:34): I don't know that I ever heard anybody say drag, but they certainly call it. It was basically
Ricky McEachern (19:40): Basically what we would call drag performers, but not only did they it's a pattern, it's a PA it's a pageant, but they recorded like in the hotel, like the whole weekend of them out of drag from just being themselves in gay men in 1968. And these were guys that came from other places, not just they weren't New York city, 1968 gays. These are guys that came from other places and other experiences from around the country at that time. And they just videoed the whole thing. So now I'll throw it to you,
Kevin (20:15): Correct? I believe that they were, yeah, I believe there were winners in their own, right? Much like the pageants that take place today for around the country for, for drag performers and that they all get together for a master pageant that takes place every year. So when you see like your miss Kay USA, yeah. It's very much like that. And it happened in New York with some notoriety to it as well, from what we now know in the documentary. But, but what an experience and an opportunity to view this, the fact that somebody had the presence of mind to record it, because you see even the differences in how we get together for a, get myself together for Dre and what's different about what they did and what I've seen other Queens too, as they're getting ready for performance, it's it? I found it very informative.
Trampolina (21:10): Well, so I hadn't thought about that aspect of it. So you were saying the actual preparation. What, what about that was interesting to you? That was different.
Kevin (21:21): I don't know. It was the use of the makeup. Eyeliner, like it was very divine, like that I noticed on many of them or they were just very pretty women, women looking somewhere, but can't be more campy. Others were very pretty valid. You notice most of those contents contestants were attempting to look like women. So there wasn't a lot of camp, but you could see some of the design around the eye. I would expect how to divine just in a much more blatant way. And today we have other Queens that designed themselves differently, use different methods to cut an image, a shadow, a look enlighten and shade to bring out cheap, to, to bring out their eyes and do their lips. And it's something that I don't have to worry about because I worked glasses. So you don't, if you don't have to do a severe eye I wear gloves, so I don't have to do nails. So I am like simple Simon drag queen. But I was just impressed by all the effort they put in and, and picked up some tips from them that I might incorporate soon.
Trampolina (22:36): Other things that impressed you or made an impression on you about that documentary?
Kevin (22:44): Oh yeah. I walked away from the documentary actually shaking a bit because I felt I felt the tension of the time I saw the looks on people's faces when they were following that young queen how Harlow Harlow was the winner, but they started with Harlow showing him and and he's walking through New York city quite disparaging that you can see the looks, the negative looks from the general New York community against him because he's stood out as being different in his everyday wear. So you knew that he was different. He was trying to carry a Warhol look. And there was just a very old fashioned like suit and tie or older woman in her bonnet type thing. And there were supplies that, and that's a New York and I thought these people dealt with something very different. Yeah. Oh yeah. And it just, it makes you think that this was 1968 and then in 69, they had to stand for themselves.
Kevin (23:51): And it was the drag community that kind of led that charge because they were fierce. And they obviously given this a documentary you saw that they weren't just fierce in New York, they were fierce everywhere. They had a lot of personalities as Queens did. I also noted that they, a lot of them sang their own acts. So they didn't lip sync a lot. They sang, and there was no expectation that they'd be up there on a track mouth in it. We saw some good performances, I mean, bad ones too, in that documentary, you know, they were expected to really do something with themselves in that respect.
Ricky McEachern (24:29): So let's talk about you and Trampolina and your relationship with Trampolina, is it always a good, a positive relationship? Or does it cause you any sort of distress or problems?
Kevin (24:45): Yes, she's a handful. So I I'd say that anyone who does drag, who's going to run into that issue of somebody learning that you do this and then you're skewed into one stereotype or another. And I find some of the most creative people and, and various straight acting people who were drag Queens. And then of course you find others that are not, so you get a mixed bag. But she, she definitely has run into the challenges of being judged that way. There's very few people that would like to date a Drake, a drag queen, unless they feel very comfortable with it. Perhaps they're in theater, that type of thing, at least from what I've found.
Ricky McEachern (25:35): Okay. So there's a, there is a couple of questions. Well, obviously there's, well, who cares? You know, if, if someone doesn't like you for all of you, then who cares about them,
Kevin (25:45): No one has. And just to be fair, no one has ever said that directly to my face. And, and sometimes it's just something that I'm, I might think I'm picking up on. So it is what it is. You're probably right. Point.
Ricky McEachern (26:00): The reason why I say you're probably right, is I'm saying that because I know that you are an intro, very intuitive person, cause I know you very well. So you're in what I'm saying is your intro, your intuition is probably correct. So, you know, there's, there's one way to look at it that, you know, whatever who cares, there's many fish in the sea, but then there's also you know, why, so obviously this means that Trent being Trampolina is important to you and it's causing, you know, potentially causes issues. So what, what is it about doing this that is so important to you?
Kevin (26:39): I just feel great. When I leave an event, I feel great about the fact that had a positive impact and that it got people going enough so that they wanted to, you know, donate, donate more time, donate more money, become more involved, see that if somebody steps up and does something, that it can actually make a difference and it can make change happen. And so it's those little things. It doesn't have to be every day or every week that I do that. But whenever I can, it seems as I would has a positive outcome,
Ricky McEachern (27:10): That feeling that you get when you're leaving an event have you ever felt, have you ever felt that feeling in any other areas of your life?
Kevin (27:23): No. No. And maybe that is part of it. I think it's an interesting point you raised sometimes you get that for an accomplishment at work but you typically, those don't happen as you finish this longterm project and, you know, you see the results of what you put together come to fruition. So if you can do an event over a period of few hours and CVO comes right then and there, it's kind of this immediate high, maybe this immediate fix that you get. But, but you're able to see what good it can do.
Ricky McEachern (27:58): What you described reminds me of you know, a lot of creative people that I talked to and obviously being a visual artist, I interact with a lot of visual artists and there is an experience that artists get when they produce something and they put it out in the world and they actually get feedback on it. And it reminds me of what you just described to, because I know personally, you know, I used to be in work in large projects. So we would have large projects where there would be an output, but I would part of a team, a big team. And of course these projects were successful and we would get accolades and that would feel good, but it's very different from when I create a painting and I put that out into the world and I get feedback and it's an experience and a feeling that is very unique.
Ricky McEachern (28:49): And I think it's because, so one thing that's common between like myself and Trampolina is that this is something that you are it's you, and it's you expressing a part of you or creating something and putting it out in the world. Really not part of a team, you know, you, you know, you are, but there's an element of it. That is just you. The thing that's different about you is you're doing something that is so helping organizations. Like I don't, sometimes I give my a lot of my paintings I give for charity you know, give them to like Fenway men's event and stuff like that. But that's not the same as you being this creative being and creating something and putting it out and being able to help. Yeah. Well, Kevin, I am so happy you that you have found something that brings you such sense of fulfillment and is such a, you know, a creative outlet and gives you that feeling that you can't get anywhere else, because
Kevin (29:56): People are looking for that. People, most people are looking for that they don't, they can't find it, or they haven't found it. And I'm very happy for you.
Ricky McEachern (30:08): So I know that not everybody in your family is aware of this alter ego. So it's almost like I was actually talking about you to people the other night, I was telling people that I was interviewing Trampolina and then I'm going to be interviewing Kevin. And they said that it sounds like,
Kevin (30:31): Yes. So I guess what is a really interesting point?
Ricky McEachern (30:34): It's like Bruce, Bruce, Wayne and Batman. But I know that you know, not all of your family members are aware of
Ricky McEachern (30:42): A secret life or a little secret agent. So tell me,
Ricky McEachern (30:46): Tell me about why that is and whether that is troubling to you.
Kevin (30:51): So I think the biggest thing is that my parents are very traditional. I mean, dad was a firefighter. Mom was a housewife and was a nanny for a family. A couple of my cousins had figured it out. And my brother is aware. I figured if, if somebody, if something ever happens to me, I, I said to to folks, make sure my brother gets there first. Cause then he'll understand why all this is around here. And there's a lot of stuff. So there's something to be said for letting some people in, but I really don't want to offend my parents either. And so I've kept this relatively safe and separate. There's a reason why when I throw on that wig and if I were to take it off, people are like, we would have no idea that that was you. And I'm like, good.
Kevin (31:36): Does that means I might be able to fake out my mother. If I ever ran into her, I will say I, I, I took a funny event and really, it made me laugh for about 10 minutes. My parents were going to sixties party for this family that they know my mother needed this wildlife wacky outfit. She's like, I don't have anything. And I go, I know a drag queen in town that has an outfit. I dressed her up in one of my, my dresses with an old wig. And I, I had them pose up at the mantle in the house and it will be forever cherished as one of the most happy times I've ever had my parents. Cause we all just started laughing historically, my dad was dressed like a pimp and my mother was dressed like Trampolina and that just makes it all worthwhile, you know,
Ricky McEachern (32:25): Anyone ever challenged you on that fact that you are in the drag closet with your family and you're so out saying you're so out and about pride and all that,
Kevin (32:37): The, you know, hell pride, pride
Ricky McEachern (32:40): Events, but then you are not being out with your, with your family
Kevin (32:48): A little bit. But no, I think everyone is fairly respectful that it's your own choice, that your own decision, your own comfort level and it always should be. And so if, if it isn't a bridge, I want to cross with my family. And I feel as though it's good to be a separate, I think that's safe because it's, it's, what's safe to make. I think that's true even like with work and everything else, I keep everything very distant. And I've had occasions where some people have figured it out at work and I just asked them respectfully, that's awesome. I'm glad you saw her and that somehow you figured it out. That's great. I just keep this very separate from my professional life because it just wouldn't, I don't think it would be understood in the, in the kind of work that I do. So if it's more software related or project management related, that's that's business and I keep that over there what I can do to help with organizations is also separate and distinct. I don't see the need to marry them together at this time.
Ricky McEachern (33:53): Okay. So as I mentioned, I, you know, I think that you were very lucky that you found this thing that is so special to you and it's able to satisfy you like creatively. And I think a lot of people would like to find something like that for themselves. Is there anything you could suggest to people listening to this to find that special thing, hobby activity past time that would give them a sense of fulfillment that they haven't found how to fight? How do people find, find their own inner trampoline,
Ricky McEachern (34:33): Identifying those things and communicating with your friends, you know, what your interests are and like, what would be the next level? What do I want to try? How do I want to learn about, or educate myself to do something different or to become creative in a, in a different way.
Ricky McEachern (34:50): So trying something new,
Ricky McEachern (34:52): That's something new, but also surround yourself with people who you trust who are also going to help you be creative maybe help identify those different avenues that support you. I think that is what made me, who I am in this role. And if it wasn't for folks telling me, I really enjoyed that, I liked it. You should try this and being open to change and doing different things. Yeah.
Ricky McEachern (35:22): Yeah. And I think that you and I wait, I think we have the same birth don't we have the same birthday.
Kevin (35:28): So I think, are you, yes, I think we do it
Ricky McEachern (35:30): 12Th of the time. Oh, I'm the 10th. I'm not, but I think that we have very similar personalities. I think that I believe are you a Myers Briggs? ENF J
Kevin (35:41): Oh my God. It's so funny. You mentioned that. I just took the Myers-Briggs cause I'm sitting in by the little desk. I just took an online Myers Briggs. And I'm I didn't even read through the whole thing yet, so I apologize, but I'm an Ian something, something, it surprised me it's changed by the way. It used to be an Ian TJ.
Ricky McEachern (36:05): Okay. So I think that you and I have had this conversation, I thought that we were similar Myers-Briggs, but I know that we're very similar personalities. And the reason why I bring this up is when I asked you what your recommendation would be to people to kind of find their inner Trampolina. It sounds like really what you said was connect with other people and, you know, and use others to sort of mirror to get feedback and guidance. And I agree with that. I mean, I, that doesn't work for everyone that works for me. I know that I am constantly connecting with others. I mean, that's why I started this podcast, you know, but I'm constantly connecting with other people to, you know, not just on the podcast, but with when I want to do something new, I am connecting with others because that's how I can see myself, how I can see what I'm working on in a broader picture, in a new way.
Ricky McEachern (37:00): For instance, I do this you know, I have the podcast when I started the podcast, I didn't know any other podcasters. So I was dealing with all of these challenges and problems. And the only way that I could get help would be like online or on YouTube videos. And that's not enough for me. So I actually started this weekly thing called podcast connect or something. I forgot what I called it, but it's basically all the podcasts as I meet them. I invite them to this thing and we all just talk. I think it's awesome. But that is because that is the way that my brain develops and grows. And it sounds like that's essentially what, how Trampolina developed. It's it sounds like is through other people and the way that you are getting the most fulfillment, isn't just sitting home, looking at yourself in drag. It's actually going out and not even just performing because I see Trampolina and action and trembling is interacting with people. Kevin (37:56): Yeah. Yeah. I think that it's, it's part of my strength, both as Kevin and as, as trampy is communicating with others, interacting and in big decisions or big changes, trying to reach consensus. So while I don't mind making a decision, I love having people on board where we both get there together. I think it might also be kind of a background of typically Aquarians we like to do that. We are. And so Joey, Dale must be on your at some point. So, but typically Aquarians like to kind of get people together and, and move forward with and expecting that everybody would move forward with them once you, once you come to a decision together. Yeah. I find that stuff. Great. So Kevin, this has been wonderful and it was great, obviously talking to Trampolina as well. If people want to learn more, or if people want to book Trampolina or if whatever you want them to do, where do they go? So Trampolina is Trampolina Glen Ellen, and she is located on Facebook, or you can connect with her at Instagram at trampy G one. All right. Well, thank you so much. Thank you, Ricky. This is great.